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Determiner templatesEdit

I'm trying to provide more information about determiners, but it's getting a little unwieldy. I would like to mark the following information:

  • Definite or indefinite
  • Countability & number
    • Only with count singular nouns (a ball)
    • Only with plural nouns (those balls/glasses)
    • Only with countable plural nouns (many balls)
    • Only with uncountable singular nouns (little information)
    • With any nouns (no ball/balls/information/glasses)

I'm not totally sure that no other combinations exist (e.g., only uncountable; only uncountable plural), but I think that covers the existing cases. Please, offer your suggestions on how to implement this without too much stuff before the definition.--Brett (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Implement as in? --Minorax (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
As in produce a workable system of context labels that isn't too cluttered and produces useful categories.--Brett (talk) 12:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I think that singular and plural nouns should be categorized separately, with countable & uncountable nouns as a sub-category. --Minorax (talk) 03:55, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
Like "1. (indefinite) (singular) (countable). A is used when the following noun could be any of a certain type."
  • Only with count singular nouns (a ball) (singular) (countable)
  • Only with plural nouns (those balls/glasses) (plural)
  • Only with countable plural nouns (many balls) (plural) (countable)
  • Only with uncountable singular nouns (little information) (singular) (uncountable)
  • With any nouns (no ball/balls/information/glasses)
--Brett (talk) 19:58, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: So basically a template(s) to include several parameters? --Minorax (talk)
@Minorax: That's what I'm wondering about. The example for a above seems cumbersome.
BTW, do you pronounce your username "minor ax"?--Brett (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: I'll see what I can do about the templates. As for my username, it's mi-no-rax. --Minorax (talk) 14:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Take a look at Template:singular/sandbox, it defaults with only (singular), and the template can take up to 2 additional parameters. {{singular/sandbox|indefinite|countable}} will show (singular) (indefinite) (countable) . Categorisation can be done at a later point when the templates are up and running. --Minorax (talk) 05:38, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Minorax:Thank you for this! It clarified some ideas for me. I think it's more intuitive to call it something like "det", since it applies to determiners. Every determiner is going to mark an NP as definite or indefinite, so I'd start with that in linear order. Most determiners are indefinite, making that the logical default, but it's a binary choice. Then there's number, which I'd put second. Some, like the are indiscriminate, marking singular, plural, countable, and uncountable, so it would potentially have five lables, which seems too much. Others, like a, are really picky, marking only singular countable NPs. I think the best say to deal with number is a 3-way choice between "singular", "plural", and "singular & plural". Similarly, we could have a 3-way choice between "count", "non-count", and "count & non-count".--Brett (talk) 11:58, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Brett: See Template:det, decided to go with the singular, plural option since it's simpler for readers to understand. The template defaults to indefinite with s, p & sp parameters. See table below for examples. --Minorax (talk) 12:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

TABLE REMOVED--Brett (talk) 17:54, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'd like to mark BOTH singular/plural AND count/non-count. Also, why "b"?--Brett (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah ok. b = base template, can be changed to something more suitable. --Minorax (talk) 13:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Updated, see above. --Minorax (talk) 13:38, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I mean both s/p/sp and c/n/cn at the same time.--Brett (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Updated, see above. Only s/p/sp/c/n/cn are accepted parameters. If other letters are entered, invalid parameter will appear. --Minorax (talk) 04:46, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! This is very useful. What do you think about the visual results at the?--Brett (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Looks great. Can you list out the categories each parameter is suppose to link to? --Minorax (talk) 13:24, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
  1. {{det|b=definite}}: Category:Definite determiners
  2. {{det}}: Category:Indefinite determiners
  3. {{det|s}}: Category:Singular determiners
  4. {{det|p}}: Category:Plural determiners
  5. {{det|sp}}: Category:Plural determiners & Category:Singular determiners
  6. {{det|c}}: Category:Singular determiners
  7. {{det|n}}: Category:Plural determiners
  8. {{det|cn}}: <Category:Plural determiners & Category:Singular determiners--Brett (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brett: Done, should be fine now. --Minorax (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, should c & n be linked to Category:Count determiners and Category:Non-count determiners respectively? --Minorax (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

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